Tentacle would rock :) <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Day_of_the_Tentacle> On 6 December 2019 01:33:04 GMT, Brad Hubbard &lt;bhubbard(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

I just realised one of the original suggestions was 'ceph-tentacle' so I want to get that out there so I'm not accused of stealing anyone's thunder :) On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 6:54 PM Lenz Grimmer &lt;lgrimmer(a)suse.com&gt; wrote: -- Cheers, Brad

On Fri, 6 Dec 2019, Brad Hubbard wrote: I rather like Tentacle, actually. One of the other things that has bugged me about this whole project is the ssh orchestrator name, and the combination of the two (ceph-dadmon + mgr/ssh? ssh-orch?). In reality, the two go together. Although in theory you could use most of ceph-daemon with a different orchestrator framework, in practice the bootstrap configures the ssh orch for you, and most of the rest of ceph-daemon is just an extension of mgr/ssh to run remotely. Renaming both mgr/ssh -> mgr/tentacle and /usr/bin/ceph-daemon -> /usr/bin/tentacle would solidify the idea that it's one thing, comparable to it's counterpart Rook in the kubernetes space. It would also get the 'ssh' out of the name, which is a bit misleading (and doesn't really sell its value). We use ssh to run ceph-daemon on remote nodes, but this could be swapped out for something else if the need arose. Or perhaps, in the spirit of tendrl, we should do tentacl? :) Otherwise, ceph-adm is currently in the lead. sage > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 10:25 AM Matthew Oliver &lt;matt(a)oliver.net.au&gt; wrote: > > > > I like ceph-manage or something like that, however that's probably too close to ceph-mgr which could get very confusing. > > > > Looking at thesaurus.com for manage, there are some other words that could be interesting (there is a bunch so I'll only name a few): > > > > - administer (so adm is a good candidate, which I know is already on the list) > > - conduct > > - govern > > - handle > > - maintain > > - operate > > - oversee > > - run > > - supervise > > - command > > - designate > > - execute > > - instruct > > - steer > > > > Matt > > > > On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 10:32 AM Sage Weil &lt;sweil(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: > >> > >> During CDM on Wednesday I suggested that ceph-daemon should probably be > >> renamed before octopus (and before the name sticks). In speech "ceph > >> daemon" is confusing, and the name doesn't really reflect what it > >> is: > >> > >> a user-facing tool > >> - to bootstrap a new cluster, > >> - launch a (containerized) shell, > >> - enter an existing daemon container, > >> - tail a daemon's log, or > >> - adopt a daemon deployed with a legacy tool (ceph-deploy, ceph-ansible, > >> etc) into a ceph-daemon style container > >> - remove all trace of a cluster from the localhost, > >> > >> and an internal tool used by ssh-orch to > >> - deploy or remove a container running a ceph daemon > >> - start, stop, or update an existing container > >> - run ceph-volume (to gather device inventory, create osds, zap, etc.) > >> - gather a host inventory of services (containers) > >> > >> The original tool was more like "ceph daemon tool" but it was shortened to > >> ceph-daemon at the start. > >> > >> We voted on some alternatives here: > >> > >> https://pad.ceph.com/p/ceph-daemon-tool > >> > >> but the winner is currently 'cephctl' with is IMO a non-starteer. > >> Usually 'ctl' utilities are for interacting with running systems/daemons > >> via some runtime API--that's basically what the 'ceph' CLI utility is. > >> ceph-daemon is more akin to kubeadm or ceph-deploy or something like > >> that. > >> > >> So... I shortened/pruned the list again. Please weigh in. And if you > >> have a bright idea for a better name, feel free to add it. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> sage > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dev mailing list -- dev(a)ceph.io > >> To unsubscribe send an email to dev-leave(a)ceph.io > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dev mailing list -- dev(a)ceph.io > > To unsubscribe send an email to dev-leave(a)ceph.io > > > > -- > Cheers, > Brad > >

On 12/6/19 4:17 PM, Brad Hubbard wrote: That's true, tentacl will be far easier to google for. :) Having said that, ceph-daemon is pretty clear cut.  The first thing I think of when I hear tentacl is: https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/49352057/day-of-the-tent… Mark

Am 06.12.19 um 23:13 schrieb Sage Weil: +1 for renaming mgr/ssh to something different as well. For performance reasons, we might indeed need to move to a different remote-execution mechanism away from ssh. Keeping ssh in the module's name would make this awkward. -- SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg). Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer

tentacle is pretty awesome! But just to play devil's advocate, we opensource devs do have a nack for picking cool names, but make it hard for other users to understand what the tool does. Conceptually, I can see it from what Lenz says. But would it make sense to a normal sysadmin? Don't get me wrong, I like it and think it's fun, just want to make sure it's thought about now and not after we do a rename and release. Matt On Fri, Dec 6, 2019 at 12:33 PM Brad Hubbard &lt;bhubbard(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

On 12/6/19 12:03 PM, Patrick Donnelly wrote: Every single time I try to type 'pseudo'.