The other output is too big for pastebin and I'm not familiar with paste services, any suggestion for a preferred way to share such output?

On 2024-03-23 17:54, Kai Stian Olstad wrote: > On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:09:29PM +0100, Torkil Svensgaard wrote: >> >> The other output is too big for pastebin and I'm not familiar with >> paste services, any suggestion for a preferred way to share such >> output? > > You can attached files to the mail here on the list. Doh, for some reason I was sure attachments would be stripped. Thanks, attached. Mvh. Torkil

Hi Alex New query output attached after restarting both OSDs. OSD 237 is no longer mentioned but it unfortunately made no difference for the number of backfills which went 59->62->62. Mvh. Torkil On 23-03-2024 22:26, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Hi Torkil, > > I have looked at the files that you attached. They were helpful: pool > 11 is problematic, it complains about degraded objects for no obvious > reason. I think that is the blocker. > > I also noted that you mentioned peering problems, and I suspect that > they are not completely resolved. As a somewhat-irrational move, to > confirm this theory, you can restart osd.237 (it is mentioned at the > end of query.11.fff.txt, although I don't understand why it is there) > and then osd.298 (it is the primary for that pg) and see if any > additional backfills are unblocked after that. Also, please re-query > that PG again after the OSD restart. > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 4:56 AM Torkil Svensgaard <torkil(a)drcmr.dk> > wrote: >> >> >> >> On 23-03-2024 21:19, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >>> Hi Torkil, >> >> Hi Alexander >> >>> I have looked at the CRUSH rules, and the equivalent rules work on my >>> test cluster. So this cannot be the cause of the blockage. >> >> Thank you for taking the time =) >> >>> What happens if you increase the osd_max_backfills setting >>> temporarily? >> >> We already had the mclock override option in place and I re-enabled >> our >> babysitter script which sets osd_max_backfills pr OSD to 1-3 depending >> on how full they are. Active backfills went from 16 to 53 which is >> probably because default osd_max_backfills for mclock is 1. >> >> I think 53 is still a low number of active backfills given the large >> percentage misplaced. >> >>> It may be a good idea to investigate a few of the stalled PGs. Please >>> run commands similar to this one: >>> >>> ceph pg 37.0 query > query.37.0.txt >>> ceph pg 37.1 query > query.37.1.txt >>> ... >>> and the same for the other affected pools. >> >> A few samples attached. >> >>> Still, I must say that some of your rules are actually unsafe. >>> >>> The 4+2 rule as used by rbd_ec_data will not survive a >>> datacenter-offline incident. Namely, for each PG, it chooses OSDs >>> from >>> two hosts in each datacenter, so 6 OSDs total. When a datacenter is >>> offline, you will, therefore, have only 4 OSDs up, which is exactly >>> the number of data chunks. However, the pool requires min_size 5, so >>> all PGs will be inactive (to prevent data corruption) and will stay >>> inactive until the datacenter comes up again. However, please don't >>> set min_size to 4 - then, any additional incident (like a defective >>> disk) will lead to data loss, and the shards in the datacenter which >>> went offline would be useless because they do not correspond to the >>> updated shards written by the clients. >> >> Thanks for the explanation. This is an old pool predating the 3 DC >> setup >> and we'll migrate the data to a 4+5 pool when we can. >> >>> The 4+5 rule as used by cephfs.hdd.data has min_size equal to the >>> number of data chunks. See above why it is bad. Please set >>> min_size to >>> 5. >> >> Thanks, that was a leftover for getting the PGs to peer (stuck at >> creating+incomplete) when we created the pool. It's back to 5 now. >> >>> The rbd.ssd.data pool seems to be OK - and, by the way, its PGs are >>> 100% active+clean. >> >> There is very little data in this pool, that is probably the main >> reason. >> >>> Regarding the mon_max_pg_per_osd setting, you have a few OSDs that >>> have 300+ PGs, the observed maximum is 347. Please set it to 400. >> >> Copy that. Didn't seem to make a difference though, and we have >> osd_max_pg_per_osd_hard_ratio set to 5.000000. >> >> Mvh. >> >> Torkil >> >>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 3:16 AM Torkil Svensgaard >>> <torkil(a)drcmr.dk> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23-03-2024 19:05, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >>>>> Sorry for replying to myself, but "ceph osd pool ls detail" by >>>>> itself >>>>> is insufficient. For every erasure code profile mentioned in the >>>>> output, please also run something like this: >>>>> >>>>> ceph osd erasure-code-profile get prf-for-ec-data >>>>> >>>>> ...where "prf-for-ec-data" is the name that appears after the words >>>>> "erasure profile" in the "ceph osd pool ls detail" output. >>>> >>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd pool ls detail | grep erasure >>>> pool 11 'rbd_ec_data' erasure profile DRCMR_k4m2 size 6 min_size 5 >>>> crush_rule 0 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 4096 pgp_num 4096 >>>> autoscale_mode off last_change 2257933 lfor 0/1291190/1755101 flags >>>> hashpspool,ec_overwrites,selfmanaged_snaps,bulk stripe_width 16384 >>>> fast_read 1 compression_algorithm snappy compression_mode aggressive >>>> application rbd >>>> pool 37 'cephfs.hdd.data' erasure profile >>>> DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_hdd size >>>> 9 min_size 4 crush_rule 7 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 2048 >>>> pgp_num 2048 >>>> autoscale_mode off last_change 2257933 lfor 0/0/2139486 flags >>>> hashpspool,ec_overwrites,bulk stripe_width 16384 fast_read 1 >>>> compression_algorithm zstd compression_mode aggressive >>>> application cephfs >>>> pool 38 'rbd.ssd.data' erasure profile DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_ssd >>>> size 9 >>>> min_size 5 crush_rule 8 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 32 pgp_num 32 >>>> autoscale_mode warn last_change 2198930 lfor 0/2198930/2198928 flags >>>> hashpspool,ec_overwrites,selfmanaged_snaps stripe_width 16384 >>>> compression_algorithm zstd compression_mode aggressive >>>> application rbd >>>> >>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd erasure-code-profile get DRCMR_k4m2 >>>> crush-device-class=hdd >>>> crush-failure-domain=host >>>> crush-root=default >>>> jerasure-per-chunk-alignment=false >>>> k=4 >>>> m=2 >>>> plugin=jerasure >>>> technique=reed_sol_van >>>> w=8 >>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd erasure-code-profile get >>>> DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_hdd >>>> crush-device-class=hdd >>>> crush-failure-domain=datacenter >>>> crush-root=default >>>> jerasure-per-chunk-alignment=false >>>> k=4 >>>> m=5 >>>> plugin=jerasure >>>> technique=reed_sol_van >>>> w=8 >>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd erasure-code-profile get >>>> DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_ssd >>>> crush-device-class=ssd >>>> crush-failure-domain=datacenter >>>> crush-root=default >>>> jerasure-per-chunk-alignment=false >>>> k=4 >>>> m=5 >>>> plugin=jerasure >>>> technique=reed_sol_van >>>> w=8 >>>> >>>> But as I understand it those profiles are only used to create the >>>> initial crush rule for the pool, and we have manually edited >>>> those along >>>> the way. Here are the 3 rules in use for the 3 EC pools: >>>> >>>> rule rbd_ec_data { >>>> id 0 >>>> type erasure >>>> step set_chooseleaf_tries 5 >>>> step set_choose_tries 100 >>>> step take default class hdd >>>> step choose indep 0 type datacenter >>>> step chooseleaf indep 2 type host >>>> step emit >>>> } >>>> rule cephfs.hdd.data { >>>> id 7 >>>> type erasure >>>> step set_chooseleaf_tries 5 >>>> step set_choose_tries 100 >>>> step take default class hdd >>>> step choose indep 0 type datacenter >>>> step chooseleaf indep 3 type host >>>> step emit >>>> } >>>> rule rbd.ssd.data { >>>> id 8 >>>> type erasure >>>> step set_chooseleaf_tries 5 >>>> step set_choose_tries 100 >>>> step take default class ssd >>>> step choose indep 0 type datacenter >>>> step chooseleaf indep 3 type host >>>> step emit >>>> } >>>> >>>> Which should first pick all 3 datacenters in the choose step and >>>> then >>>> either 2 or 3 hosts in the chooseleaf step, matching EC 4+2 and 4+5 >>>> respectively. >>>> >>>> Mvh. >>>> >>>> Torkil >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 1:56 AM Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>> <patrakov(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Torkil, >>>>>> >>>>>> I take my previous response back. >>>>>> >>>>>> You have an erasure-coded pool with nine shards but only three >>>>>> datacenters. This, in general, cannot work. You need either nine >>>>>> datacenters or a very custom CRUSH rule. The second option may >>>>>> not be >>>>>> available if the current EC setup is already incompatible, as >>>>>> there is >>>>>> no way to change the EC parameters. >>>>>> >>>>>> It would help if you provided the output of "ceph osd pool ls >>>>>> detail". >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 1:43 AM Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>>> <patrakov(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Torkil, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Unfortunately, your files contain nothing obviously bad or >>>>>>> suspicious, >>>>>>> except for two things: more PGs than usual and bad balance. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What's your "mon max pg per osd" setting? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 1:08 AM Torkil Svensgaard >>>>>>> <torkil(a)drcmr.dk> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2024-03-23 17:54, Kai Stian Olstad wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:09:29PM +0100, Torkil Svensgaard >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The other output is too big for pastebin and I'm not >>>>>>>>>> familiar with >>>>>>>>>> paste services, any suggestion for a preferred way to share >>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>> output? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> You can attached files to the mail here on the list. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Doh, for some reason I was sure attachments would be >>>>>>>> stripped. Thanks, >>>>>>>> attached. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mvh. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Torkil >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Torkil Svensgaard >>>> Systems Administrator >>>> Danish Research Centre for Magnetic Resonance DRCMR, Section 714 >>>> Copenhagen University Hospital Amager and Hvidovre >>>> Kettegaard Allé 30, 2650 Hvidovre, Denmark >>>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Torkil Svensgaard >> Systems Administrator >> Danish Research Centre for Magnetic Resonance DRCMR, Section 714 >> Copenhagen University Hospital Amager and Hvidovre >> Kettegaard Allé 30, 2650 Hvidovre, Denmark > > > -- Torkil Svensgaard Systems Administrator Danish Research Centre for Magnetic Resonance DRCMR, Section 714 Copenhagen University Hospital Amager and Hvidovre Kettegaard Allé 30, 2650 Hvidovre, Denmark

On 24-03-2024 00:31, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: > Hi Torkil, Hi Alexander > Thanks for the update. Even though the improvement is small, it is > still an improvement, consistent with the osd_max_backfills value, and > it proves that there are still unsolved peering issues. > > I have looked at both the old and the new state of the PG, but could > not find anything else interesting. > > I also looked again at the state of PG 37.1. It is known what blocks > the backfill of this PG; please search for "blocked_by." However, this > is just one data point, which is insufficient for any conclusions. Try > looking at other PGs. Is there anything too common in the non-empty > "blocked_by" blocks? I'll take a look at that tomorrow, perhaps we can script something meaningful.

> I think we have to look for patterns in other ways, too. One tool that > produces good visualizations is TheJJ balancer. Although it is called > a "balancer," it can also visualize the ongoing backfills. > > The tool is available at > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/TheJJ/ceph-balancer/master/placementoptim… > > Run it as follows: > > ./placementoptimizer.py showremapped --by-osd | tee remapped.txt Output attached. Thanks again. Mvh. Torkil > On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 5:50 AM Torkil Svensgaard <torkil(a)drcmr.dk> > wrote: >> >> Hi Alex >> >> New query output attached after restarting both OSDs. OSD 237 is no >> longer mentioned but it unfortunately made no difference for the number >> of backfills which went 59->62->62. >> >> Mvh. >> >> Torkil >> >> On 23-03-2024 22:26, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >>> Hi Torkil, >>> >>> I have looked at the files that you attached. They were helpful: pool >>> 11 is problematic, it complains about degraded objects for no obvious >>> reason. I think that is the blocker. >>> >>> I also noted that you mentioned peering problems, and I suspect that >>> they are not completely resolved. As a somewhat-irrational move, to >>> confirm this theory, you can restart osd.237 (it is mentioned at the >>> end of query.11.fff.txt, although I don't understand why it is there) >>> and then osd.298 (it is the primary for that pg) and see if any >>> additional backfills are unblocked after that. Also, please re-query >>> that PG again after the OSD restart. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 4:56 AM Torkil Svensgaard <torkil(a)drcmr.dk> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 23-03-2024 21:19, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >>>>> Hi Torkil, >>>> >>>> Hi Alexander >>>> >>>>> I have looked at the CRUSH rules, and the equivalent rules work on my >>>>> test cluster. So this cannot be the cause of the blockage. >>>> >>>> Thank you for taking the time =) >>>> >>>>> What happens if you increase the osd_max_backfills setting >>>>> temporarily? >>>> >>>> We already had the mclock override option in place and I re-enabled >>>> our >>>> babysitter script which sets osd_max_backfills pr OSD to 1-3 depending >>>> on how full they are. Active backfills went from 16 to 53 which is >>>> probably because default osd_max_backfills for mclock is 1. >>>> >>>> I think 53 is still a low number of active backfills given the large >>>> percentage misplaced. >>>> >>>>> It may be a good idea to investigate a few of the stalled PGs. Please >>>>> run commands similar to this one: >>>>> >>>>> ceph pg 37.0 query > query.37.0.txt >>>>> ceph pg 37.1 query > query.37.1.txt >>>>> ... >>>>> and the same for the other affected pools. >>>> >>>> A few samples attached. >>>> >>>>> Still, I must say that some of your rules are actually unsafe. >>>>> >>>>> The 4+2 rule as used by rbd_ec_data will not survive a >>>>> datacenter-offline incident. Namely, for each PG, it chooses OSDs >>>>> from >>>>> two hosts in each datacenter, so 6 OSDs total. When a datacenter is >>>>> offline, you will, therefore, have only 4 OSDs up, which is exactly >>>>> the number of data chunks. However, the pool requires min_size 5, so >>>>> all PGs will be inactive (to prevent data corruption) and will stay >>>>> inactive until the datacenter comes up again. However, please don't >>>>> set min_size to 4 - then, any additional incident (like a defective >>>>> disk) will lead to data loss, and the shards in the datacenter which >>>>> went offline would be useless because they do not correspond to the >>>>> updated shards written by the clients. >>>> >>>> Thanks for the explanation. This is an old pool predating the 3 DC >>>> setup >>>> and we'll migrate the data to a 4+5 pool when we can. >>>> >>>>> The 4+5 rule as used by cephfs.hdd.data has min_size equal to the >>>>> number of data chunks. See above why it is bad. Please set >>>>> min_size to >>>>> 5. >>>> >>>> Thanks, that was a leftover for getting the PGs to peer (stuck at >>>> creating+incomplete) when we created the pool. It's back to 5 now. >>>> >>>>> The rbd.ssd.data pool seems to be OK - and, by the way, its PGs are >>>>> 100% active+clean. >>>> >>>> There is very little data in this pool, that is probably the main >>>> reason. >>>> >>>>> Regarding the mon_max_pg_per_osd setting, you have a few OSDs that >>>>> have 300+ PGs, the observed maximum is 347. Please set it to 400. >>>> >>>> Copy that. Didn't seem to make a difference though, and we have >>>> osd_max_pg_per_osd_hard_ratio set to 5.000000. >>>> >>>> Mvh. >>>> >>>> Torkil >>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 3:16 AM Torkil Svensgaard >>>>> <torkil(a)drcmr.dk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 23-03-2024 19:05, Alexander E. Patrakov wrote: >>>>>>> Sorry for replying to myself, but "ceph osd pool ls detail" by >>>>>>> itself >>>>>>> is insufficient. For every erasure code profile mentioned in the >>>>>>> output, please also run something like this: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ceph osd erasure-code-profile get prf-for-ec-data >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ...where "prf-for-ec-data" is the name that appears after the words >>>>>>> "erasure profile" in the "ceph osd pool ls detail" output. >>>>>> >>>>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd pool ls detail | grep erasure >>>>>> pool 11 'rbd_ec_data' erasure profile DRCMR_k4m2 size 6 min_size 5 >>>>>> crush_rule 0 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 4096 pgp_num 4096 >>>>>> autoscale_mode off last_change 2257933 lfor 0/1291190/1755101 flags >>>>>> hashpspool,ec_overwrites,selfmanaged_snaps,bulk stripe_width 16384 >>>>>> fast_read 1 compression_algorithm snappy compression_mode aggressive >>>>>> application rbd >>>>>> pool 37 'cephfs.hdd.data' erasure profile >>>>>> DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_hdd size >>>>>> 9 min_size 4 crush_rule 7 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 2048 >>>>>> pgp_num 2048 >>>>>> autoscale_mode off last_change 2257933 lfor 0/0/2139486 flags >>>>>> hashpspool,ec_overwrites,bulk stripe_width 16384 fast_read 1 >>>>>> compression_algorithm zstd compression_mode aggressive >>>>>> application cephfs >>>>>> pool 38 'rbd.ssd.data' erasure profile DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_ssd >>>>>> size 9 >>>>>> min_size 5 crush_rule 8 object_hash rjenkins pg_num 32 pgp_num 32 >>>>>> autoscale_mode warn last_change 2198930 lfor 0/2198930/2198928 flags >>>>>> hashpspool,ec_overwrites,selfmanaged_snaps stripe_width 16384 >>>>>> compression_algorithm zstd compression_mode aggressive >>>>>> application rbd >>>>>> >>>>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd erasure-code-profile get DRCMR_k4m2 >>>>>> crush-device-class=hdd >>>>>> crush-failure-domain=host >>>>>> crush-root=default >>>>>> jerasure-per-chunk-alignment=false >>>>>> k=4 >>>>>> m=2 >>>>>> plugin=jerasure >>>>>> technique=reed_sol_van >>>>>> w=8 >>>>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd erasure-code-profile get >>>>>> DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_hdd >>>>>> crush-device-class=hdd >>>>>> crush-failure-domain=datacenter >>>>>> crush-root=default >>>>>> jerasure-per-chunk-alignment=false >>>>>> k=4 >>>>>> m=5 >>>>>> plugin=jerasure >>>>>> technique=reed_sol_van >>>>>> w=8 >>>>>> [root@lazy ~]# ceph osd erasure-code-profile get >>>>>> DRCMR_k4m5_datacenter_ssd >>>>>> crush-device-class=ssd >>>>>> crush-failure-domain=datacenter >>>>>> crush-root=default >>>>>> jerasure-per-chunk-alignment=false >>>>>> k=4 >>>>>> m=5 >>>>>> plugin=jerasure >>>>>> technique=reed_sol_van >>>>>> w=8 >>>>>> >>>>>> But as I understand it those profiles are only used to create the >>>>>> initial crush rule for the pool, and we have manually edited >>>>>> those along >>>>>> the way. Here are the 3 rules in use for the 3 EC pools: >>>>>> >>>>>> rule rbd_ec_data { >>>>>> id 0 >>>>>> type erasure >>>>>> step set_chooseleaf_tries 5 >>>>>> step set_choose_tries 100 >>>>>> step take default class hdd >>>>>> step choose indep 0 type datacenter >>>>>> step chooseleaf indep 2 type host >>>>>> step emit >>>>>> } >>>>>> rule cephfs.hdd.data { >>>>>> id 7 >>>>>> type erasure >>>>>> step set_chooseleaf_tries 5 >>>>>> step set_choose_tries 100 >>>>>> step take default class hdd >>>>>> step choose indep 0 type datacenter >>>>>> step chooseleaf indep 3 type host >>>>>> step emit >>>>>> } >>>>>> rule rbd.ssd.data { >>>>>> id 8 >>>>>> type erasure >>>>>> step set_chooseleaf_tries 5 >>>>>> step set_choose_tries 100 >>>>>> step take default class ssd >>>>>> step choose indep 0 type datacenter >>>>>> step chooseleaf indep 3 type host >>>>>> step emit >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>>> Which should first pick all 3 datacenters in the choose step and >>>>>> then >>>>>> either 2 or 3 hosts in the chooseleaf step, matching EC 4+2 and 4+5 >>>>>> respectively. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mvh. >>>>>> >>>>>> Torkil >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 1:56 AM Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>>>> <patrakov(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Torkil, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I take my previous response back. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You have an erasure-coded pool with nine shards but only three >>>>>>>> datacenters. This, in general, cannot work. You need either nine >>>>>>>> datacenters or a very custom CRUSH rule. The second option may >>>>>>>> not be >>>>>>>> available if the current EC setup is already incompatible, as >>>>>>>> there is >>>>>>>> no way to change the EC parameters. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It would help if you provided the output of "ceph osd pool ls >>>>>>>> detail". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 1:43 AM Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>>>>> <patrakov(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Torkil, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, your files contain nothing obviously bad or >>>>>>>>> suspicious, >>>>>>>>> except for two things: more PGs than usual and bad balance. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> What's your "mon max pg per osd" setting? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 24, 2024 at 1:08 AM Torkil Svensgaard >>>>>>>>> <torkil(a)drcmr.dk> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 2024-03-23 17:54, Kai Stian Olstad wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 23, 2024 at 12:09:29PM +0100, Torkil Svensgaard >>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The other output is too big for pastebin and I'm not >>>>>>>>>>>> familiar with >>>>>>>>>>>> paste services, any suggestion for a preferred way to share >>>>>>>>>>>> such >>>>>>>>>>>> output? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You can attached files to the mail here on the list. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Doh, for some reason I was sure attachments would be >>>>>>>>>> stripped. Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> attached. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Mvh. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Torkil >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Alexander E. Patrakov >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Torkil Svensgaard >>>>>> Systems Administrator >>>>>> Danish Research Centre for Magnetic Resonance DRCMR, Section 714 >>>>>> Copenhagen University Hospital Amager and Hvidovre >>>>>> Kettegaard Allé 30, 2650 Hvidovre, Denmark >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Torkil Svensgaard >>>> Systems Administrator >>>> Danish Research Centre for Magnetic Resonance DRCMR, Section 714 >>>> Copenhagen University Hospital Amager and Hvidovre >>>> Kettegaard Allé 30, 2650 Hvidovre, Denmark >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Torkil Svensgaard >> Systems Administrator >> Danish Research Centre for Magnetic Resonance DRCMR, Section 714 >> Copenhagen University Hospital Amager and Hvidovre >> Kettegaard Allé 30, 2650 Hvidovre, Denmark > > >