On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 9:41 AM Prashant Dhange &lt;pdhange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: Hi Prashant, Could RGW be improved to emit a better log message in this case? I assume the crash is the following: debug -5> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.410+0000 7f6b90b27700 10 monclient: get_auth_request con 0x5652391ac000 auth_method 0 debug -4> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 0 rgw main: ERROR: notify_obj.operate() returned r=-1 debug -3> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 -1 ERROR: failed to initialize watch: (1) Operation not permitted debug -2> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 0 rgw main: ERROR: failed to start notify service ((1) Operation not permitted debug -1> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 0 rgw main: ERROR: failed to init services (ret=(1) Operation not permitted) debug 0> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.539+0000 7f6ba64b2440 -1 *** Caught signal (Segmentation fault) ** in thread 7f6ba64b2440 thread_name:radosgw ceph version 16.2.7-98.el8cp (b20d33c3b301e005bed203d3cad7245da3549f80) pacific (stable) 1: /lib64/libpthread.so.0(+0x12c20) [0x7f6b9ab19c20] 2: /lib64/librados.so.2(+0xada95) [0x7f6ba4ecaa95] 3: /lib64/librados.so.2(+0x9dfd8) [0x7f6ba4ebafd8] 4: (RGWSI_Notify::unwatch(RGWSI_RADOS::Obj&, unsigned long)+0x2e) [0x7f6ba5cac99e] 5: (RGWSI_Notify::finalize_watch()+0x40) [0x7f6ba5cad290] 6: (RGWSI_Notify::shutdown()+0x22) [0x7f6ba5cad302] 7: (RGWServices_Def::shutdown()+0x4e) [0x7f6ba57abcde] 8: (RGWServices_Def::~RGWServices_Def()+0x12) [0x7f6ba57abd62] 9: (RGWRados::~RGWRados()+0x80) [0x7f6ba5b8e990] 10: (RGWStoreManager::init_storage_provider(DoutPrefixProvider const*, ceph::common::CephContext*, bool, bool, bool, bool, bool, bool, bool)+0x137) [0x7f6ba5b8d277] 11: (radosgw_Main(int, char const**)+0x154b) [0x7f6ba574a33b] 12: __libc_start_main() 13: _start() NOTE: a copy of the executable, or `objdump -rdS <executable>` is needed to interpret this. It's not in RGW per se, but could be caused by RGW passing an invalid pointer librados. Was this reported to the RGW team? As I said in the previous message, unfortunately it doesn't work this way because creating a pool and specifying an application are separate steps. With this change the cluster can temporarily go to HEALTH_WARN on any pool creation, even if operator is following up with "ceph osd pool application enable" command immediately. The "in use" check was put in place because there appeared to be no other (easy) way to avoid a bogus health alert. Raising bogus health alerts is much worse than getting a legitimate "can't create a bucket on a non-RGW pool" error, even if that failure mode isn't obvious. IMO this change should be reverted. Thanks, Ilya

Hi Ilya and Vikhyat, On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 9:06 AM Vikhyat Umrao &lt;vikhyat(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: This could be an alternative approach to avoid BZ#2029585 <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2029585> issue by specifying application name at the time of pool creation. Let's discuss this in the next RADOS meeting. <tracker https://tracker.ceph.com/issues/54719>gt;. I was not able to debug this issue further due to missing coredump and also not able to reproduce it again on another attempt. name at the time of pool creation as suggested by Vikhyat ? a lot for your inputs. Really appreciate it. Thanks, Regards, Prashant

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 4:37 AM Ilya Dryomov &lt;idryomov(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: I am not saying setting the app during pool creation to make it compulsory, I am saying keeping it optional but avoiding two steps approach one for pool creation and one for app setting that Ilya is pointing to fix all the tests. This will help to protect the backward compatibility as Ilya pointed out. Now on the orchestration side, we can make it compulsory it could be cephadm or rook when you create a pool the orchestrator should make sure it is setting the app for the type that pool would be used, and if the daemon code is creating the pools like for example RGW then they should make sure they setting the app during pool creation. So my vote would good for having --app kind of flag in pool create commands and documenting the app enforcement for consumers like rook, cephadm, and respective daemons. --vikhyat

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 9:26 PM Prashant Dhange &lt;pdhange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: Hi Prashant, Thanks for providing the context. I can't say I agree with the approach. There are many other ways to screw up OSD caps (especially if one tries to lock down as tight as possible) none of which would be similarly highlighted in "ceph status", so this doesn't address the general lack of user-friendliness in this area. That said, I don't really have a stake in the ground here. Given that creating pools is a rare operation, perhaps a bogus health alert that shows up only briefly is acceptable. Ilya > > Regards, > Prashant > > On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 2:20 PM Vikhyat Umrao &lt;vikhyat(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 4:37 AM Ilya Dryomov &lt;idryomov(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 11:22 PM Prashant Dhange &lt;pdhange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> > >>> > Hi Ilya and Vikhyat, >>> > >>> > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 9:06 AM Vikhyat Umrao &lt;vikhyat(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Ilya and Prashant - Or it could be we can have a feature in rados when the pool create command run should also take the application as input? This app not being set up has caused hard problems in troubleshooting. >>> > >>> > This could be an alternative approach to avoid BZ#2029585 issue by specifying application name at the time of pool creation. Let's discuss this in the next RADOS meeting. >>> > >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 3:21 AM Ilya Dryomov &lt;idryomov(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 9:41 AM Prashant Dhange &lt;pdhange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: >>> >>> > >>> >>> > Hi Ilya, >>> >>> > >>> >>> > G'day. >>> >>> > >>> >>> > We were seeing the rgw bucket creation failures if application is not >>> >>> > enabled for the rgw control pool and ceph status was not reporting >>> >>> > the warning message "x pool(s) do not have an application enabled >>> >>> > (POOL_APP_NOT_ENABLED)". >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Prashant, >>> >>> >>> >>> Could RGW be improved to emit a better log message in this case? >>> >>> >>> >>> > We also observed the RGW daemon crash in the absence of application >>> >>> > was not enabled for the pool. There was no way to know the reason >>> >>> > behind RGW bucket creation failure. This issue has been raised on >>> >>> > BZ#2029585. >>> >>> >>> >>> I assume the crash is the following: >>> >>> >>> >>> debug -5> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.410+0000 7f6b90b27700 10 >>> >>> monclient: get_auth_request con 0x5652391ac000 auth_method 0 >>> >>> debug -4> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 0 rgw >>> >>> main: ERROR: notify_obj.operate() returned r=-1 >>> >>> debug -3> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 -1 ERROR: >>> >>> failed to initialize watch: (1) Operation not permitted >>> >>> debug -2> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 0 rgw >>> >>> main: ERROR: failed to start notify service ((1) Operation not >>> >>> permitted >>> >>> debug -1> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.532+0000 7f6ba64b2440 0 rgw >>> >>> main: ERROR: failed to init services (ret=(1) Operation not permitted) >>> >>> debug 0> 2022-08-10T12:10:55.539+0000 7f6ba64b2440 -1 *** >>> >>> Caught signal (Segmentation fault) ** >>> >>> in thread 7f6ba64b2440 thread_name:radosgw >>> >>> >>> >>> ceph version 16.2.7-98.el8cp >>> >>> (b20d33c3b301e005bed203d3cad7245da3549f80) pacific (stable) >>> >>> 1: /lib64/libpthread.so.0(+0x12c20) [0x7f6b9ab19c20] >>> >>> 2: /lib64/librados.so.2(+0xada95) [0x7f6ba4ecaa95] >>> >>> 3: /lib64/librados.so.2(+0x9dfd8) [0x7f6ba4ebafd8] >>> >>> 4: (RGWSI_Notify::unwatch(RGWSI_RADOS::Obj&, unsigned long)+0x2e) >>> >>> [0x7f6ba5cac99e] >>> >>> 5: (RGWSI_Notify::finalize_watch()+0x40) [0x7f6ba5cad290] >>> >>> 6: (RGWSI_Notify::shutdown()+0x22) [0x7f6ba5cad302] >>> >>> 7: (RGWServices_Def::shutdown()+0x4e) [0x7f6ba57abcde] >>> >>> 8: (RGWServices_Def::~RGWServices_Def()+0x12) [0x7f6ba57abd62] >>> >>> 9: (RGWRados::~RGWRados()+0x80) [0x7f6ba5b8e990] >>> >>> 10: (RGWStoreManager::init_storage_provider(DoutPrefixProvider >>> >>> const*, ceph::common::CephContext*, bool, bool, bool, bool, bool, >>> >>> bool, bool)+0x137) [0x7f6ba5b8d277] >>> >>> 11: (radosgw_Main(int, char const**)+0x154b) [0x7f6ba574a33b] >>> >>> 12: __libc_start_main() >>> >>> 13: _start() >>> >>> NOTE: a copy of the executable, or `objdump -rdS <executable>` is >>> >>> needed to interpret this. >>> >>> >>> >>> It's not in RGW per se, but could be caused by RGW passing an invalid >>> >>> pointer librados. Was this reported to the RGW team? >>> > >>> > Yes, this was the RGW crash. We had this reported in the tracker#54719. I was not able to debug this issue further due to missing coredump and >>> > also not able to reproduce it again on another attempt. >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> > >>> >>> > My opinion was that if we create a pool then we must specify the >>> >>> > application for the pool even though the pool is not in use to avoid >>> >>> > unnecessary creation of the pool. >>> >>> >>> >>> As I said in the previous message, unfortunately it doesn't work this >>> >>> way because creating a pool and specifying an application are separate >>> >>> steps. With this change the cluster can temporarily go to HEALTH_WARN >>> >>> on any pool creation, even if operator is following up with "ceph osd >>> >>> pool application enable" command immediately. The "in use" check was >>> >>> put in place because there appeared to be no other (easy) way to avoid >>> >>> a bogus health alert. >>> > >>> > Would it be a good approach in your view to compulsory specify application name at the time of pool >>> > creation as suggested by Vikhyat ? >>> >>> Hi Prashant, >>> >>> I'm pretty sure there were $REASONS why it wasn't made compulsory back >>> when support for application tags/metadata was being added. The major >>> one was definitely backwards compatibility, since changing an existing >>> monitor command to require a parameter that isn't even there is tough. >> >> >> I am not saying setting the app during pool creation to make it compulsory, I am saying keeping it optional but avoiding two steps approach one for pool creation and one for app setting that Ilya is pointing to fix all the tests. This will help to protect the backward compatibility as Ilya pointed out. Now on the orchestration side, we can make it compulsory it could be cephadm or rook when you create a pool the orchestrator should make sure it is setting the app for the type that pool would be used, and if the daemon code is creating the pools like for example RGW then they should make sure they setting the app during pool creation. So my vote would good for having --app kind of flag in pool create commands and documenting the app enforcement for consumers like rook, cephadm, and respective daemons. >> >> --vikhyat >> >> >>> >>> >>> Further, you would need to extend librados C/C++ API and also all >>> bindings because none of the rados_pool_create variants allow passing >>> arbitrary parameters. >>> >>> Overall, it doesn't seem worth the effort (and trouble) to me. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Ilya

On Thu, Aug 31, 2023 at 10:42 PM Gregory Farnum &lt;gfarnum(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote: Not particularly elegant, but perhaps we could treat each new POOL_APP_NOT_ENABLED as muted behind the scenes for a couple of minutes? Essentially just delay raising the alert to give admins enough time to run "ceph osd pool application enable" or our own tools to call rados_application_enable() API. Thanks, Ilya