Hi to all ceph community. I have a question about Debian 12 support for ceph 17. I didn’t find repo for that release at https://download.ceph.com/, does it supports and how to install ceph Quincy on Debian 12 ? Thank you to those who will answer.
We are still waiting on debian 12 support. Currently our ceph is stuck on debian 11 due to lack of debian 12 releases. On 2023-11-01 03:23, nessero karuzo wrote:
Hi to all ceph community. I have a question about Debian 12 support for ceph 17. I didn’t find repo for that release athttps://download.ceph.com/, does it supports and how to install ceph Quincy on Debian 12 ? Thank you to those who will answer. _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list --ceph-users@ceph.io To unsubscribe send an email toceph-users-leave@ceph.io
+1 for a debian 12 release. We are also looking forward to it. Thanks for your efforts. BR Wolfgang -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthew Darwin <bugs@mdarwin.ca> Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. November 2023 18:36 An: ceph-users@ceph.io Betreff: [ceph-users] Re: Debian 12 support We are still waiting on debian 12 support. Currently our ceph is stuck on debian 11 due to lack of debian 12 releases. On 2023-11-01 03:23, nessero karuzo wrote:
Hi to all ceph community. I have a question about Debian 12 support for ceph 17. I didn’t find repo for that release athttps://download.ceph.com/, does it supports and how to install ceph Quincy on Debian 12 ? Thank you to those who will answer. _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list --ceph-users@ceph.io To unsubscribe send an email toceph-users-leave@ceph.io
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And another big +1 for debian12 reef from us. We're unable to upgrade to either debian12 or reef. I've been keeping an eye on the debian12 bug, and it looks as though it might be fixed if you start from the latest repo release. Thanks, Chris On 13/11/2023 07:43, Berger Wolfgang wrote:
+1 for a debian 12 release. We are also looking forward to it. Thanks for your efforts. BR Wolfgang
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Matthew Darwin <bugs@mdarwin.ca> Gesendet: Sonntag, 12. November 2023 18:36 An: ceph-users@ceph.io Betreff: [ceph-users] Re: Debian 12 support
We are still waiting on debian 12 support. Currently our ceph is stuck on debian 11 due to lack of debian 12 releases.
On 2023-11-01 03:23, nessero karuzo wrote:
Hi to all ceph community. I have a question about Debian 12 support for ceph 17. I didn’t find repo for that release athttps://download.ceph.com/, does it supports and how to install ceph Quincy on Debian 12 ? Thank you to those who will answer. _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list --ceph-users@ceph.io To unsubscribe send an email toceph-users-leave@ceph.io
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Hi, On 13/11/2023 10:42, Chris Palmer wrote:
And another big +1 for debian12 reef from us. We're unable to upgrade to either debian12 or reef. I've been keeping an eye on the debian12 bug, and it looks as though it might be fixed if you start from the latest repo release.
My expectation is that the next point release of Reef (due soon!) will have Debian packages built as part of it. Regards, Matthew
How is it that Proxmox were able to release Debian12 packages for Quincy quite some time ago? https://download.proxmox.com/debian/ceph-quincy/dists/ My understanding is that they change almost nothing in their packages and just roll them to fit with their naming schema etc. On 01/11/2023 07:23, nessero karuzo wrote:
Hi to all ceph community. I have a question about Debian 12 support for ceph 17. I didn’t find repo for that release at https://download.ceph.com/, does it supports and how to install ceph Quincy on Debian 12 ? Thank you to those who will answer. _______________________________________________ ceph-users mailing list -- ceph-users@ceph.io To unsubscribe send an email to ceph-users-leave@ceph.io
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On 11/13/23 17:14, Luke Hall wrote:
How is it that Proxmox were able to release Debian12 packages for Quincy quite some time ago?
because you can, as always, just (re-)build the package yourself.
My understanding is that they change almost nothing in their packages and just roll them to fit with their naming schema etc.
yes, we're doing the same since kraken and put them in our own repo (either builds of the "original" ceph sources, or backports from debian - whichever is earlier available).. which is easier/simpler/more reliable and avoids any dependency on external repositories. Regards, Daniel
On 13/11/2023 16:28, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 11/13/23 17:14, Luke Hall wrote:
How is it that Proxmox were able to release Debian12 packages for Quincy quite some time ago?
because you can, as always, just (re-)build the package yourself.
I guess I was just trying to point out that there seems to be nothing fundamentally blocking these builds which makes it more surprising that the official Ceph repo doesn't have Debian12 packages yet.
My understanding is that they change almost nothing in their packages and just roll them to fit with their naming schema etc.
yes, we're doing the same since kraken and put them in our own repo (either builds of the "original" ceph sources, or backports from debian - whichever is earlier available).. which is easier/simpler/more reliable and avoids any dependency on external repositories.
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There are versioning and dependency issues (both of packages, and compiler toolchain pieces) which mean that the existing reef releases do not build on Debian. Our upstream support for Debian has always been inconsistent because we don’t have anybody dedicated or involved enough in both Debian and Ceph to keep it working on a day-to-day basis. (I think the basic problem is Debian makes much bigger and less frequent jumps in compiler toolchains and packages than the other distros we work with, and none of the developers have used it as their working OS since ~2010.) Matthew has submitted a number of PRs to deal with those issues that are in the reef branch and will let us do upstream builds for the next point release. (Thanks Matthew!) Proxmox may have grabbed them or done their own changes without pushing them upstream, or they might have found some other workarounds that fit their needs. -Greg On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:42 AM Luke Hall <luke@positive-internet.com> wrote:
On 13/11/2023 16:28, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 11/13/23 17:14, Luke Hall wrote:
How is it that Proxmox were able to release Debian12 packages for Quincy quite some time ago?
because you can, as always, just (re-)build the package yourself.
I guess I was just trying to point out that there seems to be nothing fundamentally blocking these builds which makes it more surprising that the official Ceph repo doesn't have Debian12 packages yet.
My understanding is that they change almost nothing in their packages and just roll them to fit with their naming schema etc.
yes, we're doing the same since kraken and put them in our own repo (either builds of the "original" ceph sources, or backports from debian - whichever is earlier available).. which is easier/simpler/more reliable and avoids any dependency on external repositories.
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On 11/15/23 19:31, Gregory Farnum wrote:
There are versioning and dependency issues
for 18.2.0, there's only one trivial thing needed: https://git.progress-linux.org/packages/graograman-backports-extras/ceph/com... then, the packages build fine/as-is on bookworm. Regards, Daniel
On 11/15/23 19:52, Daniel Baumann wrote:
for 18.2.0, there's only one trivial thing needed: https://git.progress-linux.org/packages/graograman-backports-extras/ceph/com...
or, for mainline inclusion, an alternative depends would be suitable too: Build-Depends: g++-11 | g++ (>= 7) Regards, Daniel
That's really useful to know, thanks Daniel. On 15/11/2023 19:07, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 11/15/23 19:52, Daniel Baumann wrote:
for 18.2.0, there's only one trivial thing needed: https://git.progress-linux.org/packages/graograman-backports-extras/ceph/com...
or, for mainline inclusion, an alternative depends would be suitable too:
Build-Depends: g++-11 | g++ (>= 7)
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On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 2:31 AM Gregory Farnum <gfarnum@redhat.com> wrote:
There are versioning and dependency issues (both of packages, and compiler toolchain pieces) which mean that the existing reef releases do not build on Debian. Our upstream support for Debian has always been inconsistent
i think, to build on debian is one thing, while to have packages downloadable at https://download.ceph.com/ is another story. Despite that https://download.ceph.com fails to provide the updated packages, that does not mean reef cannot build on Debian. Actually, I've been building Ceph on Debian unstable for years.
because we don’t have anybody dedicated or involved enough in both Debian and Ceph to keep it working on a day-to-day basis. (I think the basic problem is Debian makes much bigger and less frequent jumps in compiler toolchains and packages than the other distros we work with, and none of the developers have used it as their working OS since ~2010.)
I disagree. We've been consistently working in this area. if you take a look at the history of the debian/ directory, you will find the answer. to be more specific, as Thomas Goirand pointed out a couple times, the problem lies in the release cycles of debian and ceph. Debian releases around every two years, and each release has approximately 2 years' LTS. while ceph releases every year, with also an LTS of 2 years. so in order to enable debian users to use a LTS supported release of ceph. The debian package *have to* get ready right after the upstream releases the new major release, and before debian's release freezes. It is the timing that makes the maintainer's life a little bit difficult.
Matthew has submitted a number of PRs to deal with those issues that are in the reef branch and will let us do upstream builds for the next point release. (Thanks Matthew!) Proxmox may have grabbed them or done their own changes without pushing them upstream, or they might have found some other workarounds that fit their needs. -Greg
On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 8:42 AM Luke Hall <luke@positive-internet.com> wrote:
On 13/11/2023 16:28, Daniel Baumann wrote:
On 11/13/23 17:14, Luke Hall wrote:
How is it that Proxmox were able to release Debian12 packages for Quincy quite some time ago?
because you can, as always, just (re-)build the package yourself.
I guess I was just trying to point out that there seems to be nothing fundamentally blocking these builds which makes it more surprising that the official Ceph repo doesn't have Debian12 packages yet.
My understanding is that they change almost nothing in their packages and just roll them to fit with their naming schema etc.
yes, we're doing the same since kraken and put them in our own repo (either builds of the "original" ceph sources, or backports from debian - whichever is earlier available).. which is easier/simpler/more reliable and avoids any dependency on external repositories.
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Berger Wolfgang
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Daniel Baumann
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Gregory Farnum
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kefu chai
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Matthew Darwin
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Matthew Vernon
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nessero karuzo